When DEP nag won’t work but Setup Assistant will to enroll in your MDM

Other Considerations


The two-days-later update: after doing troubleshooting with our MDM, asking around to other Mac admins, Google searching, and creating an enterprise case with Apple, I finally got back a definitive answer from Apple, which is that this functionality is essentially broken in Sierra (10.12.6). They're saying it should be fixed in High Sierra beta (10.13.4 right now). It makes a lot of sense. Almost all of our fleet is 10.12.6 (as of this writing, anyway), and the few computers that did work were on 10.13.2 or 10.13.3 (so not beta but still working).

So there you go. Either use the workaround below or upgrade to 10.13 if you're having this issue.


We have a bunch of computers that refuse to get a DEP (Device Enrollment Program) nag, even though they get the DEP prompt using Setup Assistant.

I tried blowing out a bunch of files and folders by following the Reset an enrollment section of How to troubleshoot your DEP/MDM Enrollments (on the MicroMDM blog but with generic instructions that can work for any MDM). That worked, but it requires you to go through the Setup Assistant.

I tried creating two fresh (never booted) AutoDMG-created images—one that skips the Setup Assistant and one that doesn't. If I don't skip the Setup Assistant, it obviously works. Here's the weird thing, though: if I do skip the Setup Assistant, then running

sudo profiles -N
doesn't work (skips to the next line in the terminal) and
sudo /usr/libexec/mdmclient dep nag
either gives me this error:
[ERROR] Unable to get activation record: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=4097 "connection to service named com.apple.ManagedClient.cloudconfigurationd" UserInfo={NSDebugDescription=connection to service named com.apple.ManagedClient.cloudconfigurationd}
or spits back the activation record dictionary (but with no actual nag appearing):
Activation record: {
AllowPairing = 0;
AwaitDeviceConfigured = 0;
ConfigurationURL = "https://mymdmsenrollmentsurl.com/withabunchofotherstuffattheend";
IsMDMUnremovable = 1;
IsMandatory = 1;
IsSupervised = 1;
OrganizationAddress = "Our Address";
OrganizationEmail = "Our email";
OrganizationMagic = someidentifier;
OrganizationName = "Our organization name";
OrganizationPhone = Our organization phone;
SkipSetup = (
Now, if I actually just delete the /var/db/.AppleSetupDone file at this point and then go through the Setup Assistant, the Mac will DEP-enroll into the MDM.

So there is no network issue here (I've also tested there being no network issue on these devices by temporarily tethering them to my phone to go outside of our school's firewall—same issue).

So I really have no idea what's going on here. My MDM has all of the log information and all of my tests and insists it's not a problem on their end, but it's not the network, and it's not the image (again, a freshly created never-booted image).


So, as yet, I don't have a solution for this. Maybe I'm the only one experiencing this. I've asked around on the Mac Admins Slack, contacted my MDM directly, contacted our Apple rep directly, done a ton of Google searches. Seems a bit weird that it's just us with a never-booted image having issues on and off network.

There is good news, though. I don't have to do Setup Assistant for every single computer or do (much worse) a factory reset on each machine to DEP-enroll it (and, yes, we have a whole deployed fleet already that needs to be DEP-enrolled).

I found that if I take the ConfigurationURL from the activation record dictionary and just put that in Safari, it will download and try to install the MDM profile in a DEP way (not just in a non-DEP way).

So the only real missing piece is the actual notification that pops up. Notifications aren't blocked (again, on a never-booted AutoDMG-created image, why would they without some custom script explicitly doing so).

Update (18/02/08): At least one other person, using another MDM, has not found this to work. Safari just loads a blank page and doesn't download and install the enrollment profile. I'm using Mosyle, and this works for Mosyle at least, as of this writing.


If that works for you (putting the ConfigurationURL in Safari and installing the profile via System Preferences), you can try also automating the workaround by having the .mobileconfig delivered as a payload to /tmp and then running a script like this as a postinstall script:


# Install profile
/usr/bin/profiles -I -F "$3"/tmp/NAMEOFDEPPROFILE.mobileconfig
Had to run the separate profiles command because Munki will not support managing enrollment profiles.

Other Considerations

You don't have to use Safari to go to the ConfigurationURL, but it's handy to do so, because Safari, after downloading the enrollment profile, will just launch up System Preferences and try to install the profile. If you use another browser (e.g., Chrome), it will just download the profile, and you'll have to open it to get it to launch System Preferences to prompt for an install.

Yes, you can also just enroll in the MDM without using DEP, but Apple—with High Sierra's APFS default and the iMac Pro's secure boot—is moving more toward making macOS like iOS, so it's possible that DEP-enrolled devices may be treated differently or have different functionality from non-DEP-enrolled (but still MDM'ed) devices. Probably safest to do a DEP-enroll into the MDM.

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  1. I am using JAMF Pro in the cloud (JAMF cloud) and I am currently hitting my head against a brick wall with a very similar issue. Macs ask for the DEP login credentials, appear to partly enrol and get an MDM Profile, but the JAMF management agent that’s meant to isnatll as part of DEP setup doesn’t get installed and the machine is only partially managed. All the machines are new and have High Sierra 10.13.2. I’m actually netinstalling 10.13.3 and using that with DEP. The issue is very intermittent. Sometimes it works then it just will stop again and no one can tell me why.

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